30 May 2006

Geneva Conventions Out the Window!

Oh my god, nooooo! No, no, no!! This is not my Canada!!!

Troops told Geneva rules don't apply to Taliban


Globe and Mail Update

WASHINGTON — Canadian troops in Afghanistan have been told the Geneva Conventions and Canadian regulations regarding the rights of prisoners of war don't apply to Taliban and al-Qaeda fighters captured on the battlefield.

That decision strips detainees of key rights and protections under the rules of war, including the right to be released at the end of the conflict and not to be held criminally liable for lawful combat.

“The whole purpose of those regulations is to know if Geneva applies,” said Amir Attaran, a law professor at the University of Ottawa who has been pressing the Defence Department for details of its detainee policy for months.

How can we possibly live with this?!?

UPDATE 31May06:
Canadians following rules of war, O'Connor says

CTV.ca News Staff

Prisoners captured in Afghanistan by Canadian forces will have the rights accorded to them by the Geneva Convention, Defence Minister Gordon O'Connor said Wednesday.

"When they take prisoners, they will always follow the rules of the Geneva Convention, no lower standard than that," he told the Commons.

His comments are in response to an article published in Wednesday's Globe and Mail.

That's a relief!

UPDATE 2 02Jun06:

Have a look at this reminder to be wary of the puppeteer.


Blogger lance said...


'“They are not entitled to prisoner-of-war status but they are entitled to prisoner-of-war treatment,” he said, asserting that all detainees are humanely treated.'

Are you suggesting they don't deserve humane treatment!


12:11 a.m.  
Blogger berlynn said...

With the Geneva Conventions, it's all or none. You can't cherrypick which part of an international agreement you'll stick to and which you'll toss out the window! Those Conventions are important, lest we forget!!

12:16 a.m.  
Blogger Saskboy said...

You can't say the troops are "at war" then in the next breath say international standards for conducting war don't have to be met. Shame on us.

12:37 a.m.  
Blogger lance said...

The Geneva Convention _is not_ all or none. There are four Articles and numerous ammendments all with different ratifications. At least know what it is that you're crying about.

Go read it.

First article regarding Land forces - http://tinyurl.com/r3dv4
Third article regarding POW's - http://tinyurl.com/mkdvo

It is very specific in what it covers and what it does not. For instance, the requirement of uniforms. Without them, under the Geneva convention, it's legal for the Taliban fighters to be treated as spies and summarily shot. The CF has military, national and international law on their side in this decision, you cry because they aren't following it, but you'd be howling if they followed it to the letter.

People outside of the military seem to think that the Geneva convention is some all emcompassing Human Rights document that respects the natural goodness in man. Bullshit. The Geneva convention simply sets out the rules for butchering each other,

Shall we look at how POWS's can qualify for the death penalty? (Note: real POW's, caught while in the uniform of their military)

Part III : Captivity #Section VI : Relations between prisoners of war and the authorities #Chapter III : Penal and disciplinary sanctions #III. Judicial proceedings

Prisoners of war and the Protecting Powers shall be informed as soon as possible of the offences which are punishable by the death sentence under the laws of the Detaining Power.
Other offences shall not thereafter be made punishable by the death penalty without the concurrence of the Power upon which the prisoners of war depend.
The death sentence cannot be pronounced on a prisoner of war unless the attention of the court has, in accordance with Article 87, second paragraph, been particularly called to the fact that since the accused is not a national of the Detaining Power, he is not bound to it by any duty of allegiance, and that he is in its power as the result of circumstances independent of his own will.

So. tell them what it offense is, if they do it, hold a military court where you tell the court that as a foreign national the pow isn't bound to follow the same law. Then shoot the POW.

Yeah, really respectful human rights oriented document there.


9:09 a.m.  
Blogger berlynn said...

Might want to check out what The Juror has to say.

2:20 p.m.  
Blogger Psychols said...

O' Connor says we will apply the Geneva convention.

6:54 p.m.  
Blogger berlynn said...

Yes. I've updated and included a link to the CTV story. Thank goodness!

7:50 p.m.  

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